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>An analog would be like the NSA harvesting data from Samsung and then passing it to Apple, which is the type of stuff that we have no evidence of thus far.

What ?

We've known that the NSA was engaging in corporate espionage on behalf of American corporations for a long time now and the American government doesn't even deny it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/820758.stm (from 2000)

>The journalist, who has spent much of his life investigating Echelon, has offered two alleged instances of US snooping in the 1990s, which he says followed the newly-elected Clinton administration's policy of "aggressive advocacy" for US firms bidding for foreign contracts. The first came from a Baltimore Sun report which said the European consortium Airbus lost a $6bn contract with Saudi Arabia after NSA found Airbus officials were offering kickbacks to a Saudi official. The paper said the agency "lifted all the faxes and phone-calls between Airbus, the Saudi national airline and the Saudi Government" to gain this information. Mr Campbell also alleges that the US firm Raytheon used information picked up from NSA snooping to secure a $1.4bn contract to supply a radar system to Brazil instead of France's Thomson-CSF.

>former CIA director James Woolsey, in an article in March for the Wall Street Journal, acknowledged that the US did conduct economic espionage against its European allies, though he did not specify if Echelon was involved.



That's not the same thing as stealing trade secrets and giving them to a domestic company.


The European Parliament report is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//...

Here is an example:

Who: NSA, What: Wind wheel for electricity generation, developed by Aloys Wobben, an engineer from East Frisia, Aim: Forwarding of technical details of Wobben's wind wheel to a US firm, Consequences: US firm patents the wind wheel before Wobben; (breach of patent rights)

Sounds exactly like "stealing trade secrets and giving them to a domestic company" to me.


I couldn't find the original source "Aktenkriegerì, SZ, 29 March 2001", but it sounds like a news report. If you can find the source, I would be happy to read it and judge it based upon its reported sources.


The European Parliament report cites a single journalist, Nicky Hager. This particular allegation was based on interviews with anonymous French intelligence sources.

Basically, the French government selectively leaked to a New Zealand journalist, to justify retaliation (tariffs at the EU level, which never materialized) against the US government for burning their Saudi deal.

There has never been any credible evidence that US intelligence agencies pass trade secrets to American companies.


http://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/960011/trans-atlanti...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon#Patent_dispute "the patent in question was registered in 1991, three years before the alleged espionage event"


True, though then France and other countries should be filing charges against the U.S. then, right?


True, and they are welcome to do so, though France might not be in the best position given the breadth and depth of its reported economic espionage of specific trade secrets and such.


So... and this question is for anyone...

what does any of this mean ????

Is it all basically posturing and everyone is stealing secrets from everyone whenever anyone can ???

I mean... does this just mean that the US is the only country that actually sued anyone for it ? I mean... even though we do the same thing too as anon1385 pointed out?


We're just playing dirty to make sure everyone else plays fair!

To be fair, I do agree with you.


Our leaders ask for intelligence about the activities of foreign nations and foreign companies. The US naturally avoids such actions because we have, in many cases, the most to lose, and tu quoque leads to MAD.


The article you linked to only has allegations of when a competing company lost a contract.




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