If you turn it on, you'll see all the submissions and comments that have been killed by the editors. They're mostly spam and duplicates.
Along with unverified information [Facebook/Twitter are not legitimate sources this early on] I am not surprised at all that these stories were 'deleted'.
I come to Hacker News for the reason that pg and the mods built and maintain it. Your speak of censorship is sensationalism. [which coincides with this whole story] This post is on the front page and I predict will get many points, not deleted and contain valuable discussion.
I am all up for discussion on this story - after reading her blog post [1] and the fact she posted here [2] - [which I wasn't even aware of until I came to this thread - thanks to the user down votes she received] her aim was not to get somebody fired, nor as it appears to me was trying to get herself fired. She was taking a stand - it had unintended consequences.
The key part of her blog:
Have you ever had a group of men sitting right behind you making joke that caused you to feel uncomfortable?
Every single conference I have been to in the 'tech' industry the delegates have been 90%+ males [very often the number of women facilitating was more than the number of men facilitating]
I have rarely felt 'uncomfortable' by a group of men making a joke - if they were drunk would more people have felt uncomfortable? Probably. Is that acceptable at a python conference? No.
Another quote from the blog post:
Jesse was on the main stage with thousands of people sitting in the audience. He was talking about helping the next generation learn to program and how happy PyCon was with the Young Coders workshop (which I volunteered at). He was mentioning that the PyLadies auction had raised $10,000 in a single night and the funds would be used the funds for their initiatives.
I saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop.
I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so.
I calculated my next steps. I knew there wasn’t a lot of time and the closing session would be wrapping up. I considered:
The type of event
The size of the audience
How the conference had emphasized their Code of Conduct
What I knew about the community and their diversity initiatives
How to address this issue effectively and not disrupt the main stage
To avoid spamming this thread - read the rest of her blog for her reasoning and thinking in using twitter
and not the pyCon code of practice route.
Nobody should have been fired for this, these [unamed?] 'guys' should have been told [and hopefully understand] why these sort of 'jokes' are not welcome and make people feel uncomfortable. If they still choose to make people feel uncomfortable they should be asked to leave and not return. [Maybe asking them why they feel the jokes are acceptable]
This could easily derail into a censorship/free speech/sexism flame war - let's not becuase it's not about that - these guys could have easily tweeted their immature discussion on twitter or just kept it between themselves - they didn't and got called out.
If you turn it on, you'll see all the submissions and comments that have been killed by the editors. They're mostly spam and duplicates.
Along with unverified information [Facebook/Twitter are not legitimate sources this early on] I am not surprised at all that these stories were 'deleted'.
I come to Hacker News for the reason that pg and the mods built and maintain it. Your speak of censorship is sensationalism. [which coincides with this whole story] This post is on the front page and I predict will get many points, not deleted and contain valuable discussion.
I am all up for discussion on this story - after reading her blog post [1] and the fact she posted here [2] - [which I wasn't even aware of until I came to this thread - thanks to the user down votes she received] her aim was not to get somebody fired, nor as it appears to me was trying to get herself fired. She was taking a stand - it had unintended consequences.
The key part of her blog:
Have you ever had a group of men sitting right behind you making joke that caused you to feel uncomfortable?
Every single conference I have been to in the 'tech' industry the delegates have been 90%+ males [very often the number of women facilitating was more than the number of men facilitating]
I have rarely felt 'uncomfortable' by a group of men making a joke - if they were drunk would more people have felt uncomfortable? Probably. Is that acceptable at a python conference? No.
Another quote from the blog post:
Jesse was on the main stage with thousands of people sitting in the audience. He was talking about helping the next generation learn to program and how happy PyCon was with the Young Coders workshop (which I volunteered at). He was mentioning that the PyLadies auction had raised $10,000 in a single night and the funds would be used the funds for their initiatives.
I saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop.
I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so.
I calculated my next steps. I knew there wasn’t a lot of time and the closing session would be wrapping up. I considered:
To avoid spamming this thread - read the rest of her blog for her reasoning and thinking in using twitter and not the pyCon code of practice route.
Nobody should have been fired for this, these [unamed?] 'guys' should have been told [and hopefully understand] why these sort of 'jokes' are not welcome and make people feel uncomfortable. If they still choose to make people feel uncomfortable they should be asked to leave and not return. [Maybe asking them why they feel the jokes are acceptable]
This could easily derail into a censorship/free speech/sexism flame war - let's not becuase it's not about that - these guys could have easily tweeted their immature discussion on twitter or just kept it between themselves - they didn't and got called out.
1 http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... 2 https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=by%3A...