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It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA.

I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister).

I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here. This is now similar to the build-up to Vietnam though - I don't see Trump being able to withdraw, without looking incompetent, so he is now committed to the war, similar to why Putin can not stop his invasion of Ukraine. Two criminals, one thought.



Trump thinks he did a huge favour to the entire world. He even expressed disappointment no country accepted to give him a little hand when he asked for help.


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GTFO

1. Iran is clearly not suicidal 2. what do you think would be the best way to motivate them to get a bomb? maybe attack them? 3. they don't support terrorism "all over the world." they support shia militant groups in their region, for very good reason. WE ARE THE TERRORISTS


With how many countries Iran started direct war with, even with this religious rulers in power?

With how many countries Israel started direct war with? With how many countries USA started direct war with? (thousand of miles away and contents apart)


> The white house staff have been pretty clear and consistent in the reasons.

They absolutely have not! What are you talking about?

Also, I thought Iran nuclear program has already been "obliterated" last year?


They really, truly, have not.

We did it because Israel was going to anyway.

We didn't do it for regime change, but then we did, oh wait we want to negotiate, but Israel keeps killing the new people in charge.

We did it to keep Iran from getting nukes, oh wait, there's no clear plan to get the material out and they've never said they're going to go get it.

We now are saying we'll negotiate for the exact same restrictions the JCPOA had, which we could have done without the war in the first place.

We totally don't need the strait opened up, we're super independent, but also really want them to open the strait.

Other countries should open the strait, not the US or Israel that started the war without the buy-in of other countries.

And finally, this is an illegal war for the US. Let's not play word games with the War Powers Act - this is a full-scale war, against a "worthy adversary" that 100% will not end in 60 days and one in which we don't control the terms of its end. Iran posed no imminent threat to the United States. Other than the most crazed warmongers like Lindsey Graham, it seems to me that the members of Congress who have been briefed in classified settings are in bipartisan agreement that this was a Bad Idea and that further involvement is a Worse Idea.

This is a colossal strategic screw-up, to use the most polite understated terms possible.


Thank you! It's so frustrating to see seemingly educated people on HN who are either in complete denial of reality or shilling for Trump.


It is not obvious at all unless you don't understand Iran's objectives and its attacks on Israel (a country over 1,000 miles away) for the past several decades.




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