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Yes and yes he was impeached. the law of the constitution was followed.

I don't believe anyone can make a good faith argument that his rhetoric did not incite violence. During the campaign, during BLM protests, and most important Jan 6



> Yes and yes he was impeached. the law of the constitution was followed.

He was not convicted. That's the same as being tried and found not guilty in a court of law.


You are a professional democrat so you're not exactly arguing impartially here, so it's probably not worth engaging, but:

A republic isnt' based on "good faith arguments". There are 80 million people who will disagree with your "good faith argument".

This is why courts exist. A political impeachment is not an impartial legal system. What are you even talking about?

Your position of deciding for the public what the truth is is the biggest threat to the republic - not a single orange man.


>Yes and yes he was impeached.

But not convicted! Something you Trump obsessed seem to always leave out. So yeah, means nothing more than Clinton's impeachment.

BLM? The summer of love? Surely you jest!

And January 6 - sure you want to keep beating that drum? There is far more documented evidence of people on the FBI payroll inciting violence in the days leading up to January 6th than anyone in the Trump campaign, let alone of his followers. Indeed there is plenty of video of such wackos as Alex Jones and other right wing extremists telling people NOT to enter the capital. More video of capital police standing by or ushering people inside. I was watching it live on various live streams on January 6th because it smelled too good to be true. People being ushered inside by the capital police - that's one hell of an "insurrection". People walking between velvet ropes, not lighting shit on fire, spraying things with paint, knocking statues down. People walking inside of a public building and taking selfies. ZOMG! How will the republic survive?!?

How many convictions have they gotten - after more than a year - of these "insurrectionists"? Zero. A few plea deals that are now unraveling. But sure, keep bang that "insurrectionist" drum.


How can someone on this forum, evidently smart (or not), write this.

seriously? Where is this documented evidence that more FBI employees were violent leading up to Jan 6. More than hundreds and hundreds storming the Capitol?

You haven't seen the huge amount of footage of battering police, pepper spraying police, throwing spears at police, brutally beating a cop on the ground who now has long term head trauma, the death of police, ransacking, throwing over, messing with proprty.

crazy. flag.


Look around, HN has swung very right in the past two years. The comments in any thread related to hot button issues turn into right-wing grievance fests (such as this one).


Yeah. It's hard to know what % though. Is it a vocal minority? A small one?

The future causes me intense anxiety especially 2024 ;(

though i do work in politics so perhaps I think about it too much.

I have no idea how we can continue when such a large % of the country believes increasingly insane things


> But not convicted!

Nah, they all determined he did it. Republican Senators like Lamar Alexander were all quoted saying that both times, they just went on to say they didn't care or they think he learned his lessons.

> How many convictions have they gotten - after more than a year - of these "insurrectionists"? Zero. A few plea deals that are now unraveling. But sure, keep bang that "insurrectionist" drum.

Over 150 by my count. The Oath Keeper who was Roger Stone's bodyguard that day pled guilty to actual sedition!

It hasn't rolled up to Alex Jones and further up but it will, since he was intentionally leading people around to the east side for an attack on Pence by claiming Trump would "give a second speech" there.

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1503855795951312898

If you wanted to actually follow this, which is kind of a waste of time but might be educational(?):

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/04/04/the-evidence-needed-fo...


Sedition is speech.


"Seditious conspiracy" is not protected speech, unless you want to argue that before SCOTUS?




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