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The majority of red states are welfare states. The majority of blue states are too. There are only 11 states that pay for All federal expenditures. What is even more interesting is that internal to the red states, their blue areas pay almost all the state income taxes, and while having a higher population get less votes for state officials. Because once those people are in power, they commit election fraud in every election from that point on. looking at pictures of the district lines in red states is hilarious.


Cant believe unsubstantial lies on election fraud are now in HN also. I demand sources.


I think the government with their gerrymandering redistricting are the one committing the most obvious of election frauds. However, the reporting on gerrymandering depnds on the source of information on if it exists or not. Just a quick look at a map of the Texas districts should be evidence enough.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_S...

texas makes the top 5 twice. but don't take my word for it. take a look at a picture. https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/21313.jpeg


Gerrymandering is obviously reprehensible and should be abolished (as should the system by which politicians get a say in drawing districts). That being said, it is a stretch to say politicians are committing "election fraud" because of gerrymandering. The process by which districts are drawn is sadly legal.

The supreme court cast of Davis v. Bandemer, while establishing that partisan gerrymandering violates the Equal Protection Clause and is a justiciable matter, it failed to agree on a clear standard for the judicial review of the class of claims of a political nature to which such cases belong. Thus, that supreme court case effectively has no teeth and the partisan system by which we draw districts currently is sadly illegal.

Thus, it is incorrect to say politicians are committing election fraud through gerrymandering.


miller v johnson would be a case you should look up, from 1995, which made gerrymandering illegal. so it is absolutely correct to state they are committing election fraud, if they are using a federally illegal action to get elected.

cases of suspected gerrymandering are taken to court, often lost by the election fraudsters, and districts are then more fairly withdrawn. this does not stop the gop, and to a smaller extent the libs, from continually doing it. the only penalty for doing it, is they lose the election they would have lost without the fraud. there is no downside to trying.

the process by which districts are drawn is absolutely not legal if gerrymandering is used.

here's the issue with places like texas: no one is suing to redraw the lines, because the population is of low iq, of high anger, and easily manipulated to actually support this illegal action.

>failed to agree on a clear standard for the judicial review

which has nothing to do with making something legal or not. gerrymandering is illegal. the standard for judicial review is left open, and up to the judge in each case

>the partisan system by which we draw districts currently is sadly illegal. >it is a stretch to say politicians are committing "election fraud" because of gerrymandering

it's a stretch to say people getting elected using an illegal process are committing election fraud. gotcha. you're very good at stretching. mental gymnast?




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