> Is everyone here forgetting the millions given by foreign nations??
Not terribly, since we can see where a lot of it went and we're not terribly upset with the outcomes?
> The outright collusion with media?
Yeah emails that emails went emails really emails well emails, right emails?
> The lack of sensitivity to LGBT rights?
Clinton has a mixed track record on LGBT rights, but I trust her infinitely more than I do Trump, because her recent track record is much better. If you think she'd get a free pass for screwing over the community, you're dead wrong.
> The fact that they never discussed how to actually solve the Nation's problems, only worked on crafting a message to the public, and having "public and private" policies?
It.. uh... was an election campaign, dude. They're talking about being elected. But also, there ARE a ton of emails in there talking about the policy messaging. Mostly how to frame it to different people, as framing matters.
> The family connections to Russia that everyone conveniently ignores lately?
If Russian connections were a problem Trump would be forced to step down in favor of Pence, now wouldn't he?
> Or most chilling of all, the cryptic codespeak used in several emails?
Did you use your pizzagate decoder ring to figure out where they hid the girls yet?
At this point, I'd only like to know why you're making personal attacks on someone you've never met in order to support and defend a politician who's committed federal crimes -- one who you've likely also never met.
Might be time to step back and take a deep breath, my friend.
Have you actually read the emails in question? I've referenced them elsewhere in this thread.
I've read most of the Wikileaks materials. I've taken them with a grain of salt because there is strong evidence that Assange does not have control of Wikileaks, and therefore it's very difficult to trust the entirely of the corpus.
Even if I take all of them as 100% verified, I am certainly not "chilled" the way you are. Nor do I think having IT fuckups should be a federal crime. Given how shit both R and D party security is, I suspect the private email servers are actually afforded a bit of security by being obscure.
And the only aspersion I've thrown your way is that this allegation of "codespeak" is rubbish and lead people to dangerous actions on the grounds of "PizzaGate". I don't agree with your picture of reality, but I think you're an adult capable of recognizing this and therefore should be responsible for your viewpoints in a public discussion forum you choose to engage in.
If I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't reply. You wouldn't be responsible for your actions.
> Given how shit both R and D party security is...
Ummm, since we're now talking about the private email server (still absolutely illegal, regardless of justification), we're not talking about DNC leaks here, so this has nothing to do with "D" and "R".
That ClintonEmail.com server should have been in the STATE DEPARTMENT behind government firewalls, heavily monitored by our government's cybersecurity division.
> I suspect the private email servers are actually afforded a bit of security by being obscure.
WOW!!! Are you listening to yourself?! That's demonstrably been proven to be completely false (ClintonEmail.com is not exactly a "obscure" domain, BTW) -- and by her team's own admission, as there was hack attempt after hack attempt:
> Finally, we learned there is a confidence from these sources that her server had been hacked. And that it was a 99% accuracy that it had been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that things had been taken from that.
But, "you suspect".
How about this: I suspect that they setup a private email server to keep out of the reach of FOIA attempts, because of Lord knows what scandals would have been unearthed. Those emails are out there, many of them possibly on the Weiner laptop or elsewhere, and time will tell if there will ever be any justice served for these Federal crimes.
> That ClintonEmail.com server should have been in the STATE DEPARTMENT behind government firewalls, heavily monitored by our government's cybersecurity division.
Which is a token gesture and we all know it. Most private companies have better cybersecurity than the "STATE DEPARTMENT."
> That's demonstrably been proven to be completely false (ClintonEmail.com is not exactly a "obscure" domain, BTW) -- and by her team's own admission, as there was hack attempt after hack attempt:
Email servers ... seeing hack attempts via direct and content-driven means? WOW. THAT ONLY HAPPENS TO STATE OFFICIALS! MY EMAILS CERTAINLY HAVE NEVER SEEN MALICIOUS LINKS.
> I suspect that they setup a private email server to keep out of the reach of FOIA attempts, because of Lord knows what scandals would have been unearthed.
I hope that you extend this righteous anger to Pence and the Trump campaign for doing everything they can to keep campaign planning materials hidden by (curiously) successfully invoking attorney-client privilege.
The vast majority of stories that ban filtered were about proposed human rights abuses by Trump's advisory board, and subsequent details about how foreign intelligence agencies helped the conservative candidate without the hobble of campaign finance laws or ethical considerations.
Or are you mad I'm here, being pugnacious and irreverent about the more absurd allegations leveled against various candidates (which I have done on behalf of Trump as well, if you check my post history far enough).
What, exactly, do you miss? And if so, why then did you click into this thread and read into something nested 3 deep?
I submit if you cast a vote in this country you should not be afforded the luxury of looking away from the results of that vote.
No, I am not mad you are criticizing conservatives, nor do I think we should be ignorant of politics. I was struck by the nastiness of that part of your comment, that it was a personal, dismissive insult.
So was implying that arbitrarily assigned "code words" were evidence of a child abuse ring which was so hyped to a group of people that it lead to a physical confrontation with an armed individual in public.
"Code words" is pizzagate talk, even if you're not aware of that. It's the literal phrasing echoed throughout twitter and gab used to justify arbitrary accusations.
I'm not sure how you can treat that kind of nasty and totally senseless fear mongering with anything but irreverence.
Not terribly, since we can see where a lot of it went and we're not terribly upset with the outcomes?
> The outright collusion with media?
Yeah emails that emails went emails really emails well emails, right emails?
> The lack of sensitivity to LGBT rights?
Clinton has a mixed track record on LGBT rights, but I trust her infinitely more than I do Trump, because her recent track record is much better. If you think she'd get a free pass for screwing over the community, you're dead wrong.
> The fact that they never discussed how to actually solve the Nation's problems, only worked on crafting a message to the public, and having "public and private" policies?
It.. uh... was an election campaign, dude. They're talking about being elected. But also, there ARE a ton of emails in there talking about the policy messaging. Mostly how to frame it to different people, as framing matters.
> The family connections to Russia that everyone conveniently ignores lately?
If Russian connections were a problem Trump would be forced to step down in favor of Pence, now wouldn't he?
> Or most chilling of all, the cryptic codespeak used in several emails?
Did you use your pizzagate decoder ring to figure out where they hid the girls yet?