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This website has lately been totally unusable, due to the dark-ux workflow at "https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent/partners/vendors"... I hope they're conscious of the traffic they lose. There's no obvious way to dismiss/slip through and be sure that consent has not been given to third-party data collection. Just saying, not the first time I stumble on that f*ckery. Schade!


I tought iTunes was based on SoundJam MP.


iTunes the app is, and iTunes the store is built on WebObjects.


I think there was also a complete rewrite at some point. Possibly no SoundJam code remains now?


Anybody got a list of the countries where it's going to be available? (I'm tired of refreshing pages)


Maybe they lost access to their infrastructure and twitter account. Who posted this (to-date) last message? Better be cautious, activists.


Urchin 4 continued our tradition of supporting way, way too many random platforms (Google still has Urchin 4 help: check out the OS support… ever heard of Yellow Dog Linux?).

Heck yeah! Yellow Dog was one of first GNU/Linux distro I attempted to use, back in 2k2 (Or was it SUSE 6.4? Both ran too sluggishly for desktop use on my 5400/120, tho.)

Here's the trial Urchin 5 for RedHat 6, btw. https://web.archive.org/web/20060223041140/http://download.u...


While many web users don’t know that utm in a URL stands for Urchin Traffic Monitor, there are also Red Hat users who don’t realise that yum stands for Yellowdog Updater, Modified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowdog_Updater,_Modified


I not only remember it, it still makes me sick that they've replaced "yum", a project with a name that rolls smoothly off the tongue like no other, with "dnf", a project name that has all the grace of a running camel. (Also, it makes me sad that Seth's lovely project will be forgotten now that he's gone.)


I remember Yellow Dog Linux ONLY because it was the official Linux Distribution supported by the PS3.

Didn't use it enough to know how it distinguished itself from other distros beyond that, but thats enough of a distinction for me!


They live on in a small tool they built... The Yellowdog Updater, Modified.

Now just known as yum.


Now superceded by dnf on Fedora, sadly.


Does anyone prefer the name dnf? I will likely never agree that it should have been renamed to dnf, even though it represents a significant amount of rewriting. yum is an incomparably better name. "dnf" is even worse than "apt".


DNF always makes me think of the fact that in racing, DNF stands for Did Not Finish.


yum wasn't renamed dnf -- dnf is a new, yum (mostly) command line compatible replacement.


They share quite a bit of code.


I've made that mistake in our products. Hell, I'd nearly finished Gentoo support before realizing I was going down a stupid rabbit hole and the only prize was supporting the product for a half dozen grouchy users, and only one of them actually ever pays for software.

We support three distros now (the obvious three), and politely encourage users of other distros who really don't want to use one of the big three to fork it and add support themselves (with our blessing and encouragement).


Ah, Yellow Dog... I remember getting that running on a PowerBook way back in the Mac OS 9 days. What a pain, and X11 was always a bit glitchy.


This raises a question: What compilers/toolchains did MS Macintosh Business Unit use during the second part of the 1990s?


Office 98 still used MSVC++ 4.0 hosted on x86 (the Cross-Development Edition that targeted 68k/PPC MacOS). They migrated to CodeWarrior for Office 2001.

Blog posts from MacBU employees that you will find interesting (also their archives around this time): http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2006/06/02/a-brief-history-of-ma... https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/rick_schaut/2006/06/03/the-... https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/rick_schaut/2004/02/26/mac-... http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2006/06/04/pseudo-code/


Until someone with a better memory and more direct knowledge comes along, I'm going to guess that they used Apple's tools. In the early 2000s, I know that's what they used because I had buddies over in the Mac BU.


I can't answer the compiler question specifically, but based on using some of those products (at least Office 98), I think they ported a fairly large subset of whatever API they were using on Windows. Most of the controls were almost identical to Office 97 on Windows, except for things like the Mac menu bar. Office 97 also allowed the customization of the order of menu bar items; the Mac version retained these options, but they never actually worked.


At least in the Word 6 et al timeframe, Microsoft had switched to developing their Mac software using the Visual Studio Tools for Macintosh cross compiler running on Windows. They switched back to doing development on the Mac for either Office 98 or Office 2001, using Metrowerks CodeWarrior.


My guess would be Macintosh Programmer's Workshop [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Programmer%27s_Works...


At the time, nobody really used MPW, maybe except Apple. Mostly Metrowerks CodeWarrior was used.


Not /strictly/ nobody - the 3DO version of The 11th Hour was crafted under MPW, using Norcroft C. But yes, CodeWarrior certainly dominated, particularly as the 90s closed.


Obviously, I meant Joel Spolky's definition of "nobody" - Please understand that I'm talking about large trends here, and therefore when I say things like "nobody" I really mean "fewer than 10,000,000 people," and so on and so forth.

Strictly speaking wrt this definition, if MPW had 10M users, it would be a runaway success. But nobody cared, even when it became free.


If you used MacApp, you had to use MPW! I worked for a company where the president read an article about MacApp and as a result made us switch to MacApp. I learned valuable lessons in how to never ship software from that company.


There might be a naming clash here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_event


Hahahahaha true!


Yes, I went to the link quite happy because I thought it was related to AppleEvents and maybe Apple Scripts. Your app is definitely cool, congratulations on your work but the name got me fooled.

PS: Maybe the HN people haven't used MacOS 9 and AppleScript a lot and will not do the association I did.


As an aside, they did a marketing video for the commodore Amiga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRNAndfFEY :)


That spiked my curiosity. If anybody has more on this, I believe it should be shared somewhere.

Besides a PC Mag excerpts and a listing on some russian utilities compilation CD page, the interwebs look devoid.

https://books.google.com/books?id=LYp7r6OrMdIC&pg=RA1-PA172&...


Not sure this would focus much on the OP's favorite features but this sounds like the same software (starts around 11:20):

https://archive.org/details/VirtualM

This program looks at several early examples of virtul meeting technology. Demonstrations include Cross Ties for Workgroups

Much better luck searching for the software company: https://www.google.com/#q=crossties+software+corp

Buy Crossties today for $55: http://www.amzn.com/dp/B000LUXSH6

An expired patent, cited 26 times: http://www.patentbuddy.com/Patent/5787440


No; "choose sensible defaults"


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