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It's definitely AI slop, yeah:

> It's also the work of one accountant who happens to be the daily user, built with a lot of AI assistance.


This is what I use & like as well, but I definitely think there's space for a more GUI-focused option that isn't Quickbooks or Gnucash. It's not a good fit for me, though, I require my important tools to be open source. Closed source software has way too many misaligned incentives for me to use it for anything important.

I always turned this off, and also, cursed myself when I forgot to turn it off.

I made a very good living developing open source software for more than a decade. Nothing about open source software precludes one from making money, it's just a different business model from closed source.

A business model that supports a tiny fraction of the market. To the extent there is money in FOSS, even then most of it is provided by the funding of big tech (a whole host of some of the most widely-used FOSS, like Linux, LLVM, Go, Rust, C#, Typescript, VSCode, React, are all obviously corporate-backed). Independent developers who can make a living selling FOSS exist, but are absolutely on the fringe.

I know everyone's tired of hearing this, but this doesn't happen on Linux. I know I know, it's different and a little janky here and there and maybe you have to find a replacement for one or two pieces of software. But like, you don't actually have to put up with this. There is a better way.

I recently built 2 mini PCs for my kids to play games on, and went with Bazzite.

It was really surprising how put together it all is. The steam integration is seamless and it can play a ton of stuff even on an older NUC w/out a GPU.

It was the first time I can say that installing a linux OS was easier and friendlier than Windows.


> It was the first time I can say that installing a linux OS was easier and friendlier than Windows.

I'd say that from work experience managing an IT department that maintains and deploys both Windows and Linux machines, the administrative overhead involved in working with Windows first exceeded that of Linux at some point in the Windows 10 life cycle -- at least five years ago. Since then, Windows has been getting worse and worse, and Linux has been getting better and better.

With most corporate software being accessible via the web and/or being cross-platform these days, we're seriously debating moving the standard corporate workstation configuration to Linux.


It's only getting easier and friendlier comparatively. Recently i bought a new computer and installing an external drive and putting kde linux on it was easier than fighting my way through the windows telemetry gauntlet, the setting, and all the bloat. Modern windows disgusts me continuously in new ways

How are you finding KDE Linux's performance? I'm really excited for its progress!

I prefer arch btw

Here you can see Arch users in their natural environment

(In David Attenborough's voice)


No one asked about that. The question was about KDE Linux.

> It was the first time I can say that installing a linux OS was easier and friendlier than Windows.

It's been that way for about 20 years. Where have you been?


Installing maybe… getting all the hardware to actually work was a completely different story. Broken WiFi was the norm. Bad display drivers that only worked in 640x480 or 800x600. Not to mention consulting website before installing to see how well your laptop was supported and what you could expect to never work.

So years ago you also generally had to understand partitioning and filesystem formats, which most people are clueless about.

Sure, they were learning opportunities, but most people weren’t trying to learn anything. They just wanted to get on MySpace, download free music, chat with friends.


I still have a wifi issue that forces me to pin to a specific wifi network. If I do not, it somehow cascades into a GPU driver failure that breaks everything.

My last laptop used an audio amplifier that made the speakers not work for ~2 years, that required patching the kernel to fix. It's only recently a vanilla version of the kernel works.

We aren't completely out of the woods yet.


It sounds like you may have been using very strange or not-working-properly devices.

No-one really needed to care about partitioning.


I was using a Thinkpad mostly, which were usually considered some of the best options. Some of the bigger issues may have been 25 years ago, not 20.

I remember spending a lot of time partitioning stuff in those early days, especially if trying to dual boot.


Thinkpads are normally pretty okay for that sort of thing although they went through a phase of using really weird WLAN cards.

20 years ago I was running linux as a desktop for fun.

It certainly was not as easy to setup as Windows.


I've never successfully managed to install Windows on anything. It's got such limited driver support, nothing works out of the box.

using linux feels like macos back in the mid-2000s and windows (in a good way) in the early 2000s, like its some kind "operating system" for you to do things instead of being advertised to...

its such a breath of fresh air


Doesn’t happen on mac either, right?

Coming from 10 years of Linux to macOS, Apple deserves praise for this point too.

I don't use Apple Intelligence, Safari, or Siri on my Mac, and I'm extremely happy to report that Apple does not nag me to use these features at all. THANK YOU APPLE.

Windows would open Edge for random reasons instead of my preferred browser to nudge me to use it, Cortana was a constant reminder in W10 because it was part of Windows Search, and of course, we all know how they push Copilot.

Apple isn't perfect (iCloud is fine on macOS, but iOS is quite misleading and often defaults to on even if you really don't want it), but overall my Mac respects my wishes as a user and it makes me look forward to using my computer as a tool.


To be fair, Apple does do a one-time sales pitch during OS setup, but if you say NO, it remembers you mean NO.

macOS does have its own user-hostile issues, but they are more in the form of making things like running downloaded software and modifying your system irritatingly difficult, and not Windows's pathetic and desperate attempts to cajole you into using their features.


I can't get my ipad to shut up about iCloud storage. At least with windows I know how to turn that stuff off (worse case registry fix). I have no idea how to hack Apple's stuff.

I just got off from their 50GB plan and the amount of nagging has been insane. There's a giant banner in the photos app, a banner in the health app and everything else that I removed from icloud backups, strongly suggesting (in what I must imagine would be a well-studied message designed to induce panic amongst less tech-savvy users) that I am in a perilous situation and must restore icloud backups immediately. Deeply shameful and has made me even more aware of their shenanigans.

It still does a tiny bit (iCloud Drive is quite pushy) but to uncomparably smaller extent vs Windows

It’s relative, I’d say about 10% as annoying as Windows

Macos absolutely has incessant random popups everywhere. Not exactly the same kind, of course.

Ehh Apple has been self promoting their own services directly in the OS for a while now, including popups via notifications.

I wish I could fully agree. Canonical is a bit pushy: "Ubuntu Pro / ESM subscription will make your machine safer! and it is convenient mega free!! ((for non-business uses))"

Workplace very strictly requires Ubuntu LTS for toolchain & compatibility reasons, otherwise I'd run Debian or Fedora or Tumbleweed with Ubuntu containers/VMs where needed.

Nonetheless, Linux popups and promotions (even from enterprise distros) are not nearly as bad as the Windows 11 experience.


It's hilarious seeing people complain about Microsoft when a free alternative exists. Humans are really curious creatures.

Up until very recently gaming is the only thing keeping my l and millions of others main pc from being Linux or Mac. I dual booted in the past but was annoyed. With all the work steam has put in I’m personally about 6 months out from just dumping Microsoft on all my personal products.

It’s impressive they have dropped the ball so hard that it’s causing a complete rethink for so many users like myself. Bullet >> golden goose.


I caught myself just recently saying that I only keep my Linux box around to play games. Steam is more painless on Linux now than on Windows.

because you have enough ram for steam because you don't have copilot?

I also stuck with them for a long time because of Windows until Proton became good enough for most games.

"Recently" is around 5 or 6 years ago.

Over a decade even if you put in a minimal amount of effort.

People will passionately tell each other to vote for [$moralParty], then willingly prop up companies which go against everything they stand for the very next day. Curious indeed.

When people make statements like this, I always wonder if you're thinking of someone specific, or if you're conflating the group with the individual

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As someone who uses more than one monitor, my Mac has far more issues than my Linux boxes.

Same here. What frustrates me is that Apple pretty much invented seamless multiple monitor integration back in the early 90s, but the Apple of today has either forgotten how to do it or they just don't care.

Huh, I’ve never once had a problem with multiple monitors and macs over the last 15 years. But at most I’m running two monitors.

I have a iMac with two external monitors, and during boot it does this crazy dance where one monitor goes on, then off, then two monitors go on, and so on for a few rounds until shit settles and all three are on.

On the other hand, if you swap "Linux" and "Windows" in your complaint, you get my experience.

Windows is a hassle to get working for advanced use cases, and then every quarter they nuke my settings via windows update.

I just can't do it. I managed to go about 6 months last year on Windows for the first time since ~2010, but nope. Not worth it.


This mirrors my experience.

Windows gives you nice sliders for things, which they will happily break on a whim. Linux forces you to memorize a Lovecraftian string of characters to do something, but it will generally stick for a long time.

I use both, with differing ideologies. My Linux is heavily customized with keybinds and semi-niche software that enables my workflows because I know it will stick. On my Windows machines, I've accepted that Microsoft owns that machine and I have to adapt my workflow to fit their sensibilities.


Skill issue

I prefer my OS to not require “skill” (there’s no skill left in the age of AI anyways, just wasted time)

Trick is to use the newest distro release with previous cycle hardware

Given that Windows still doesn't even support multiple monitors in any meaningful way, I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

I'm no Windows defender but this is nonsense. Windows has BY FAR the best multi monitor support of any of the major OS's, including any variant of Linux.

Are we talking about the same Windows that moves all your windows around when you temporary disconnect a display, even when the computer is locked?

Or is it the windows that sometimes ends up with windows positioned partially on a display that is no longer connected so that you can't move it because any control for that is offscreen.


How do you get it to work then? Because at the moment whenever I open my Windows laptop plugged into a docking station the screens just come up in a random order.

Sometimes all three are mirrored, sometimes by chance they're the right way round, sometimes the "main" screen is one one of the external monitors and then you're absolutely knackered if you don't manage to convince it to go onto the laptop's panel before you unplug because there's no way to get it back.

It's all just so half-assed.

In Linux multiple monitors have worked perfectly for about 20 years.


You're probably right but it's really sad that an OS that shuffles everything you have open when it hits power save and turns off the screens would qualify as the best.

Video resolution: 128x72, hahah. Late 90s RealPlayer postage stamp video is back! To its credit, that whole movie is probably smaller than RealPlayer itself was.

> I collect watches worth >$100k

It's off topic for this thread, but I'd totally read a blog post about that hobby :)


You're only getting one side of the story, here. I suspect the user called "anal_reactor" who is a fan of "edgy humor" and thinks "most people have very little depth" miiight have a hard time with in-person socialization.

Yes, I do have a hard time with in-person socialization, but that only reinforces the point that at least from my perspective, people suck.

Imagine that you move to a foreign country. At work you get to know Bob and Bob tells you that he likes traveling. Next week you ask Bob if he's going on holiday somewhere, and the week after you get a call from HR because asking people for their holiday plans is considered extremely rude and this is the final warning before they fire you. Okay. You try to ask around if someone is interested in sports or anything, and turns out, watching paint dry is people's favorite social activity. People gather, and just stare at the wall. They eat some snack that smells like shit and discuss how fast different types of paint dry under different conditions - apparently there is huge disagreement whether blue or pink paint dries faster to the point that they organize official paint drying tournaments. One day you meet Alice. You're doing your best to be nice and make a friend. You suggest grabbing a coffee together. She replies "yes, definitely, what about Wednesday 3AM in front of the homeless shelter?". You can't tell if she's for real or just fucking with you, so you do show up there. Strangely, so does she, but she comes at 4AM. Turns out, it was faux-pass on your side to show up on time, which is why there won't be a second date.

Whenever you try to vent how you don't fit into the culture people point out that it's your fault you're the weirdo. Also, the incident with Bob will follow you for the next five years.


That sounds legitimately hard and I don’t envy you. Hopefully (to carry your analogy) you can find punctual sports fans who freely share their holiday plans.

> Whenever you try to vent how you don't fit into the culture people point out that it's your fault you're the weirdo.

Surely it’s pretty self evident why this is the case.


There are still in-office jobs out there, where you can have lunch with humans, and maybe even make friends with your coworkers. I have one. It's not a popular opinion on this site, but it's OK to admit that being isolated home alone for 40+ hours a week is not healthy for your personality type.


I'm back in the office (3 days a week) and there's some weird cultural thing on my team that I don't quite understand. Coworkers I sit next to will message me on Teams instead of just standing up and talking to me over the cube wall. No one eats lunch together or really converses outside of meetings. We have meetings on Teams even though everyone in the meeting is in the office sitting next to each other. I'll book rooms for the meetings and inform the team only to be the only one in the room.

I sometimes wonder if the change to the culture and ways of working from the covid-era WFH days became more pervasive than I realized.


Could be just the team culture. The meeting thing is pretty weird, but what happens if you just show up and tap them on the shoulder? Do they get annoyed or overall happy to chat? What about just drinking coffee/tea?

It also can be that the office space itself is too noisy so any discussion can distract a lot of people.


It sounds weird indeed, but maybe some higher-ups decided this is a way to go in case people need to be isolated again or when it's necessary to hire some remote coworkers who shouldn't be left behind, etc.


Remote doesn't need to be isolating. You can make friends with remote coworkers, but it requires a culture where jumping on a call to work things out is normalized.

I've found most work communication apps not to be very condusive to it, but Discord is pretty good.


Yea, you have to be proactive. I have friends with non-traditional work schedules to spend time with during the working hours when I take breaks from work. I go to coffee shops and make friends with the workers there. And I make sure to engage in social activities like group cycling. I love WFH but would never make it so I am sitting in front of my computer alone at home 40 hours a week.


You still sit at home, alone, in front of a screen to talk to these people. It's still really depressing.

I sincerely miss working in an office, but with my current job it would've been impossible anyway (everyone is remote in different countries). I've only once met some of my coworkers irl a few years ago when we went to a conference together.


Discord's killer feature is the "hangout" room.

You can see if people are in there and actively talking before you join and that alone encourages spontaneous drop ins.


This gets tiresome. Github is a lot more than a host for Git repositories. If you want to suggest that people use something else, you need to suggest a replacement that has the features people use Github for.


Increasingly less and less so as they “upgrade” their offering and have more and more downtime.


yeah, #1, it is free private file storage, and #2, it's a download portal for free as in beer software replacing paid offerings. that's what it is for 99.99% of people.

being a host for git repositories has never been its core competency. neither has its groupware offering.

does it even serve OSS well? a very interesting criteria is, "Have mature or adopted end-user-facing OSS recently merged a large PR from an unallied contributor?" The answer is overwhelming no. This is why there is so much innovation in this space.


I think you missed the joke, which is that the parent poster you're replying to is suggesting a 'solution' to the problem which evolved in complexity until he was just describing Github again.


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